but obama deftly did not. this is some of his solitary and those interested days to describe him today. his next retreat to an office, a private office in the white house. his own staff does know how he's going to decide on the issues. he hesitates and with a lot. >> guest: let's go back to the chapters are in a talk about enormous influence of president obama. tell us about that. >> host: >> guest: somehow strong, confident women and i think -- look, they cited a generational change in american politics. george bush listen to a number of strong women as well. but what is extraordinary about obama is that she really needs someone who can read this complex and ever-changing moods and read him where he is. and successful women tend to be a little better. and i don't want to sound like a fraud here, but there's also a bit like his mother and his mother with a term relationship at arms length. she was very solitary. she's been progressive and typical in its outlook. but she was very independent. she needs a lot of